Sastha – the Lord of the Vedhas

1) Is ayyappa a dravidian god which is taken into hindu religion after a long time?

bcoz we cannot see him any of the puranas.Only in Skanda purana and brahmanda purana we can see some glimpses about his existance.

2)Why his worship is more popular in  kerala and tamil nadu? 

3)who is karuppa saamy? Nothing has been mentioned in any of the puranas about him also.

4)We can see in wikipedia and related serches that ayyanaar worship started from 2nd Century AD itself in tamilnaadu.Is there any chance that a warrior lived in that time and due to the respect every body treated him as god?

5)In sankaracharyar's book "mahastru pooja klapdrumam" we can see balasastha mantram in a local malaylam language and am sure that the particular mantras for balasastha is not sanskrit.This even generates the dought that whether the book written by some body else?

Vinay Krishnan

Project Engineer

Al Faraa Contracting

Abudabi

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Dear Mr Vinay

Very nice questions.... Though I have answered most of these questions in my Book Maha Sastha Vijayam, let me try to briefly answer the queries....

1) Is ayyappa a dravidian god which is taken into hindu religion after a long time?

bcoz we cannot see him any of the puranas.Only in Skanda purana and brahmanda purana we can see some glimpses about his existance.

This theory is called "ABSURD".... First make the difference between Sastha and Ayyappa... Ayyappa is a local name which will never appear in Puranas (Like Subramanya and Muruga)

So its not right to say Sastha does not appear in Puranas. Do we have access to the Puranas directly ? do we read the original text of the puranas in the original saskrit text?

The total number of slokas in all the puranas goes to 4 lakhs and everyone reads only the precise form of translation of these puranas and never dream about the original text.

Hariharaputra or Sastha is very well available in Brahmanda Purana, Skanda purana (not as a passing reference or glimpses as you reffred but we have exclusive Sastha Patalam itself and 143 places where Sastha is referred). Apart from this Linga Purana, Padma Purana shows the reference of Sastha..

You even have the reference of Sastha in Upanishad...

I can quote a number of examples... but Iam concluding with this...

Please read my article 

Sastha – the Lord of the Vedhas

http://shanmatha.blogspot.com/2009/09/sastha-lord-of-vedhas.html

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2)Why his worship is more popular in  kerala and tamil nadu? 

According to my findings, the worship of Sastha must have been a very widespread one - now confined to Southern Zone... 

You have traces of worship of Sastha at Bengal- but in a different form...

In Maharashtra its in a different name 

In Andra its Gurunatha

Mahidara, the author of Manta Mahodati(written in 14th Century) refers the prayoga karma of a particular Sastha Mantram.... He refers Sastha as the presiding deity of Raivatha Giri (present Day Gujarat) 

Brhaspati Smriti refers "Raivathe Maha Sastha" ie Maha Sastha lives on Raivatha Giri....

You even have a place called Mt. Sastha at United States where the Native Indians worship a figure which is very much in resemblance to our Lord Sastha.

May be the southern zone is less penetrated and less attacked and due to the Divine will, the worship of Sastha still prevails here

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3)who is karuppa saamy? Nothing has been mentioned in any of the puranas about him also.

Karuppan is the commander in cheif of Sastha's Army of Bhutas....

Ofcourse, so far nothing has been found regarding Karuppan in the puranas.... and many consider him to be Non-Vedhic deity.... 

But remember we  have exclusive and powerful moola mantra for Karuppan - which is not possible for a non-vedhic deity...

For any deity for that matter, the mantra Sasthra lists five limbs(parts) - 

1. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

   Ashtothra /  Sahasranama
2. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

   Moola Mantra
3. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

   Purana
4. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

   Kavacha
5. 
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

   Dhyana / Stotra

Mantra Sasthra recommends, even if one out of this five is available- its assumed that the remaining four are available.. and we need to search for it.. 

For Karuppan you have three - A wonderful Ashtotram from Rudrayamala Tantra and a very powerful Dhyana and an exclusive moola mantra....

You also have prayoga vidhi using Karuppan, which i cant reveal here....

So Karuppan is a vedhic deity - lack of availability of information on our side is not the mistake of Mantra Sasthra... More of practical experience is to be counted here...

(And there are people who  consider Karuppan as an Amsha or local representation of Maha Kala... who has a definite purana- Iam not entering that subject now....)

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4)We can see in wikipedia and related serches that ayyanaar worship started from 2nd Century AD itself in tamilnaadu.Is there any chance that a warrior lived in that time and due to the respect every body treated him as god?

I dont take the version of Historians who give absurd date to each period like placing Adhi Shankra to 8th century AD etc....


Also wikipedia is a place where anyone can write anything.... In one wikipedia page it was written "Sastha has a wife called Pushkala and son called Poorna." (?? !!)  I felt like breaking the computer seeing that....

Now coming to this statement - even before 2nd century you have poets of Sangam period who are named "Sathanar" - a name given after Lord Sastha...

A warrior who is treated as GOD - a system which was followed in Tamilnadu.... It is called Nadukal and the system is totally irrelevant to Ayyanar worship...

If you have visited any Ayyanar temple you could have noticed that Ayyanar/ Sastha is very much according to the Agamic Form... 

The Huge figures with Moustage, Big eyes and having very big swords - this is not ayyanar... these are of later date made up of sand-lime or cement..

Whereas Ayyanar is made of stone idol and is of normal size, without any moustage and with two devis - poorna and pushkala - typical agamic style

Nadukal deities have a specific rule which is no way connected to Ayyanar. 

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5)In sankaracharyar's book "mahastru pooja klapdrumam" we can see balasastha mantram in a local malaylam language and am sure that the particular mantras for balasastha is not sanskrit.This even generates the dought that whether the book written by some body else?

Ive seen the book you are mentioning... If I remember right its published in 1990s and that book does'nt give any source text for claiming it to be written by Shankara...

Just because its printed Adhi Shankara Virachitam it doesnt mean its authored by Shankara.... 

And by mentioning Bala Sastha I dont think its refering the Bala Swaroopam (Child Form) of Sastha.. instead it gives the dhyanam as "Dhamshtra Karaala Vadhanam...." and gives some absurd moola mantra (???) with typical malayalam words.... It tries to glorify the Kuttichathan who has nothing to do with Sastha....

Regarding the other moola mantras given in the book - some are right but its not free of mistakes (it is complied from the mantras followed and given as upadesham within a particular family at Trivandrum) 

You need not doubt.... the book is definitely written by somebody else and of a very latest origin...