Guru - Sishya Relationship - Part 2

In continuaton with our previous post on Guru Sishya relationship, we received the followed comment.

Excellent guidelines, but general query with every one is how to select Guru. what is the qualification to get Deeksha.

After seeing media, people are very sacred of selecting guru and some people argue why to have middle man to speak to god and will try to reach god directly with our own prayers etc.,

Also some people accepted there guru as Maha periava, Ramana maharishi, Rama krishna, Arabindo, Seshathri swamigal (Even the person never met him).

Also give some information regarding Thruvannamalai Giri vallam. some people says they could able to see SITHAR SWAMIGAL LIKE PAPMPATTI SITHAR etc., is it true. I never get opportunity to visit that temple and attend Giri vallam.

Can you clarify.
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Let me try to answer this one by one
General query with every one is how to select Guru. What is the qualification to get Deeksha.
How can one select a Guru?
Did we select our father or mother ?

The Guru Thatwa is an embodiment of karunya and it is he who select us as a sishya and not vice versa.

We may think that we are choosing a Guru. But in no way its going to happen.  Whoever may be the Guru, Guru is "Sakshat Parabrahma"

The Guru Sishya relationship doesnot happen by appointment or designation. It emerges automatically.
The first and foremost quality for a sishya is vinaya ie humbleness and 0% Ego.

When a person thinks of  choosing his Guru, definitely he may compare him with others (please read my previous post - which is a very great sin) And also this  shows he is egoistic and If one thinks that he is choosing his guru, Iam sure he is fooling himself.

When the sadhaka is ready and ripe - God sends the Guru in the right time.
"Thottu Kaatta Guru Thane Varuvaar"

Guru is not a post or position - its an eternal commitment and phenomena.

The qualification for deeksha is decided by the Guru alone. Right or wrong he takes up the responsibilities of the sishya (including his karma)

After seeing media, people are very sacred of selecting guru and some people argue why to have middle man to speak to god and will try to reach god directly with our own prayers etc.,
Again the question of selecting a Guru does not arise

I would like to quote from  my previous post - "Mostly we will try to judge and always make a wrong judgement."

This is what is happening today. Only a Guru has to select a sishya.
If you think you are selecting your Guru then you are not on the right track.  Your faith and Viswasa with the Guru is also not that strong. This ultimately leads to disaster.

Most of the people have a feeling that there is not need for a Middle Man to show God.
Each and every living being has to rise gradually in each janma after janma and only then reach a level of Jeevan Mukthi and only then attain moksha.  This can happen only with Guru's grace.


One has to make one point clear - the purpose of human birth is to attain moksha and for this guru is must. If one thinks the purpose is to get the blessings of God for a comfortable livelihood, luxurious life, wealth etc then Guru is surely a middle man.

The path to our destination called moksha is a forest  full of animals and we need a guide to cross the place. Guru is the only guide who can take you along with him safely and help you reach your goal.

Instant moksha and instant gnana is not at all possible. If a person says I doent need a middle man - its again sheer Ego and you cant expect anything more from that sort of a person.  (I know a person who has all the "Good Qualities"  including consuming alcohol but claims that he doesnt need a Guru and he is going to get moksha because his astrologer has said so)
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Also some people accepted there guru as Maha periava, Ramana maharishi, Rama krishna, Arabindo, Seshathri swamigal (Even the person never met him).

Also give some information regarding Thruvannamalai Giri vallam. some people says they could able to see SITHAR SWAMIGAL LIKE PAPMPATTI SITHAR etc., is it true. I never get opportunity to visit that temple and attend Giri vallam.

Some people consider Maha Purushas like Seshadri Swamigal, Ramana or Mahaperiyava as their Guru. This is a very great oppurtunity. But these Maha purushas bless us as a divine force and guide our life. But in case of upadesha or mantra deeksha what will be the case?

To a very rare and lucky few, they themselves manifest before them and give their blessing. YES !!!this is true and happens even today.  But its said vindavar kandilar - many people who claim this get carried away in the waves called publicity, self and benefits of the ocean called Ego. There are still few pure souls who are blessed with such rare opportunity.

But in most other cases the Mahapurushas again send some physical Gurus in order to guide the souls. One has to accept that fact. A physical Guru's presence is the most necessary thing and a guiding force for any normal aspirant.

So for a true sadhaka, the need of a Guru is inevitable.

Naasti Thathwam Param Gurum
There is no thathwam other than Guru